Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. False. Kidnapped and killed? And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. 5 years prior to all this happening! Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. I didnt believe it. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Your email address will not be published. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Not sure why anyone is defending her. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. Patricia Owens, Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Then you claim this is an opinion. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Jealousy was the motive. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Yeah, no. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. I hope she rots in hell. Hoist by your own petard. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. (A good point. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. I dont think so. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Nope. This is all BS.She did it. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. She had money put aside. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. The state police dropped him as a suspect. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. 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As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Patricia Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Her mother was married to my uncle. Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Beautifully said Cliff! Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Mr Steve J The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. . In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? . I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Patricia Rorrer: An Update Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Its barely visible in the picture. Not everything is a conspiracy. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Just one example. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Mark and Patricia McCloskey "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. This woman killed and is where she belongs! And the obvious answer is not as you claim. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. It was Patricias hair no question. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! . Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. The women testified last week. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. This is the most ridiculous take ever! The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. The case was eventually abandoned. guilty Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Said He was captured in August and is in state custody. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Am I missing something? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. What a contrived case! Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo.
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